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Date: Sun, 1 May 94 18:49:39 PDT
From: Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup <info-hams@ucsd.edu>
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Subject: Info-Hams Digest V94 #476
To: Info-Hams
Info-Hams Digest Sun, 1 May 94 Volume 94 : Issue 476
Today's Topics:
AEA Log Windows and ICOM
Canadian Reciprocity
How to autopatch? (2 msgs)
HT harness
IPS Daily Report - 01 May 94
Luck Hurder ... gone:( Why?
Reciprocal Licenses in Mexico
REJECTED: Info-Hams Digest V94 #474
RFI proofing my computer? (2 msgs)
Spectrum Show 30 Apr 94
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policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there.
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Date: 1 May 1994 07:39:45 -0700
From: get.hooked.net!news.sprintlink.net!connected.com!connected.com!not-for-mail@decwrl.dec.com
Subject: AEA Log Windows and ICOM
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Has anyone else out there installed AEA's new Ham Windows program
with an ICOM radio? For the most part it is an EXCELLENT piece of
software, however, I cannot get it to read and control my IC-751A.
I have done the necessary LOGWIN.INI change to communicate at
9600 Baud, however, stll get timout and non-communication errors.
Any assistance or other observations/solutions regarding the
program or this problem would be appreciated.
PLEASE RESPOND HERE - NOT E-MAIL. Our servers mail directory croaked.
--
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Jeff Freedman Tacoma, Washington jfreedmn@hebron.connected.com
K7JF You come here with a skull full of mush ...
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Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 16:22:38 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!eff!news.kei.com!world!drt@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Canadian Reciprocity
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Jay Brown (un111@freenet.Victoria.BC.CA) wrote:
: I recently moved to Canada from Kansas, but am unsure of
: the reciprocity issue. I have a General Class U.S. license (N0LKI) -- do I
: have the same privileges (band and emission limits, etc) here in
: Canada as I would in the states?
No, that's a myth. You have more privileges.
: There're probably other ways to find this information, but
: I had to leave most of my library, including most amateur books,
: back in the states.
: Thanks for any help, either posted here or e-mailed to me.
This question generates so much more heat than light, I prepared a
FAQ on the issue.
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FAQ: US Automatic Reciprocal Operation in Canada
Q1: I have an FCC-issued amateur license. What do I have to do to
operate an amateur radio station in Canada?
A: A reciprocity treaty, TIAS 2508, provides for US-Canada reciprocal
operation of amateur radio stations. No application, registration, or
fee is required. You are automatically eligible to operate in Canada
if all three of these conditions apply:
1. You have a valid FCC-issued license;
2. You are a US Citizen;
3. You are a resident of the US (if you're not a US resident,
please direct your questions to a Canadian official. As I
understand it, if you become a Canadian resident, your US
license is good for a while, but they expect you to get
a Canadian one eventually).
(GR2.45.1.a, RIC-25 p. 9)
Q2: What privileges do Canadian operators have?
A: Legally, Canada has no separate phone band or other mode
restrictions. Instead, they adhere, on a voluntary basis, to a
bandplan, similar to the way we use 160 meters. (The IARU Region 2
bandplan can be found in Chapter 2 of the ARRL Operating Manual.)
Canadian amateur bands are the same as those in the US up through 1.2
GHz, except they have all of 220-225 MHz, and they only have 430-450
MHz. There are, however, bandwidth limits (-26 db):
160, 80, 40, 20, 17, 15, 12 meters: 6 kHz maximum bandwidth
30 meters: 1 kHz
10 meters: 20 kHz
6, 2 meters: 30 kHz
220: 100 kHz
440, 902: 12 MHz
1.2 GHz and up: none specified
(Schedule II, RIC-25 p. 15)
Q3: What privileges am I allowed while operating in Canada?
A: All foreign amateurs, including those from the US, are assigned
reciprocal privileges according to the Morse Code speed needed to
qualify for their license:
12+ wpm: All "Advanced + 12" privileges
(i.e., *all* Canadian privileges)
[US General, Advanced, Extra Class]
5-11 wpm: All privileges above 30 MHz,
PLUS CW and CW only on all bands below 30 MHz;
limited to Basic privileges [*]
[*] *Canadian* Basic + 5 wpm licensees are allowed
full access above 30 MHz, plus (full) access to
80 and 160, only. However, the above *is* what
the rules say about *foreign* amateurs operating
in Canada.
[US Novice Class, Technician + 5 WPM code]
0-4 wpm: All privileges above 30 MHz, with Advanced privileges
[US Technician without code]
(GR2.45.2,3,4, RIC-25 p. 9)
Q4: What's the difference between Basic and Advanced?
A: Without Advanced Qualification (or equivalent), you may not:
1. posess or install a transmitter or amplifier that isn't
commercially designed and manufatured;
2. posess or install any radio apparatus manufactured specifically
for use as a repeater where input and output are on the same band;
3. install a repeater where input and output are on the same band;
4. set up a club station
(GR2.47, RIC-25 p. 10)
Basic operators are also limited to lower power.
Q5: What are the power limits?
A: An Advanced operator or equivalent can use up to 1000 W dc input,
if power is measured as input to the final stage, *or* an output of
2250 W PEP SSB/750 W carrier power for other modes, if output power is
measured.
A Basic operator or equivalent is limited to 250 W input, *or*
560 W PEP SSB/ 190 W carrier power other modes, output.
It is illegal in Canada to posess or install a transmitter or
amplifier capable of exceeding your legal maximum power by 3 db.
(GR2.58, RIC- 25 p. 11-12)
Q6: So a General class licensee can transmit phone on 3760 or even
14140 kHz? And a Novice can use a 2 meter repeater?
A: Absolutely.
Q7: But I heard that the FCC won't allow you to exceed your US
operating privileges, even in another country.
A: I personally called the FCC and was able to confirm that this is
NOT the case. The FCC does not enforce Part 97 in foreign countries.
Despite what you may have read, it is perfectly legal to use whatever
privileges Canada allows you (see above) while you are operating a
station in Canada.
Q8: How do I identify in Canada?
A: If you're operating under your US license, then you use your call
"mobile" (if you are) or "portable" (if you're not), *followed by* the
appropriate indicator:
Nfld: VO1
Lab: VO2
PEI: VY2
NS: VE1
NB: VE9 (since Dec 1993; prior to this it was part of VE1)
Que: VE2
Ont: VE3 or VA3
Mtba: VE4
Sask: VE5
Alta: VE6
BC: VE7
NWT: VE8
Yukon:VY1
On CW, RTTY, and such you just use a slash, for example, I would use
"KG2S/VE2" in Quebec.
The treaty requires you give your location by City and
Province/Territory at least once per contact, but the Canadian rules
make no mention of this.
While the treaty requires English ID, the Canadian rules allow you to
use French, too. A chacun son gout. (However, you are not limited to
English or French during your contacts; you can use any language.)
Of course, if you operate a Canadian station or get a Canadian license
yourself, you use that callsign.
(GR2.57.1-3, RIC-25 p. 12)
Q9: What if I'm not from the US?
A: You will have to contact Communications Canada (numbers below) and
apply for permission to operate. If your country has a reciprocal
agreement with Canada, your privileges (once licensed) will be those
outlined in Question 3.
If you, as a US licensee, want a Canadian license, you may be able to
get it merely by passing a 26-question rules exam and giving a
Canadian address. I know of at least one Advanced-class licensee who
has done this with a Delegated Examiner. A Canadian station license
carries an annual fee (currently about CDN$23), and license terms end
31 March of each year.
Q10: I'd like to get a copy of the Canadian rules. What do I do?
Where do I address questions if I'm in a "gray area"?
A: I highly recommend getting a copy of the rules. They publish a
number of circulars called RICs ("ricks") that you can order. They
sent me these without charge. You can get them in French, too, of
course ("CIR-25", etc.).
RIC-25: Rules and Regulations affecting the Amateur Service. 24 pp.
RIC-3: Banned Countries/Reciprocal List/Third Party Traffic List
RIC-66: Addresses and Telephone Numbers of Regional and District
Offices
If you want information on exams in Canada, ask for:
RIC-24: Information on the Amateur Operator's Certificate
Examinations
RIC-1: Information on the Delegated Examiner system
There are a lot of District offices, so I'm only going to list one in
each Province. You can ask them to mail the rules to you, or you
could get the address for the office closest to where you'll be
visiting and go pick up what you want there.
St John's, NF: 709-772-4889
Halifax: 902-426-3810/3811
Charlottetown: 902-566-7000
St. John, NB: 506-636-4339
Montreal: 514-283-7657
Toronto: 416-973-8215
Winnipeg: 204-983-5590
Regina: 306-780-5007
Calgary: 403-292-4207
Vancouver: 604-666-5468
Whitehorse: 403-667-5102
Yellowknife: 403-920-6603
Also:
Radio Amateurs of Canada, Inc.
Administrative Office
PO Box 356
Kingston, Ontario
K7L 4W2
613-545-9100
Radio Amateur du Quebec (RAQI)
4545 Pierre-du-Coubertin Avenue
PO Box 1000, Station "M"
Montreal, Quebec
H1V 3R2
514-252-3012/252-3000 ext. 3422
Q11: Something you wrote in this FAQ was wrong! How do I let you
know?
A: The material in this FAQ was based on the 1 March 1993 edition of
RIC-25. If you know about any rule changes, or if a government
official contradicts something in this FAQ, please email me at:
drt@world.std.com
I'll investigate and fix any errors. BE SURE TO INCLUDE AN
AUTHORITATIVE SOURCE FOR YOUR INFORMATION.
(TNX VE9LN, VE3HKZ/WA6SGA for their help!)
Bon voyage!
-Dave KG2S/1
9405A
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Date: 30 Apr 94 19:18:00 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!duke!wolves!psybbs!fredmail@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: How to autopatch?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
===========================================================================
BBS: The Backdoor
To: ALL Recvd: NO
Subj: How to autopatch? Conf: (3) Rec_Radio_
___------------------------------------------------------------------------
CP> I just passed my technician exam and waiting for my license to show up in
CP> mailbox. I was wondering how a autopatch connection can be
CP> made? (Of course, I
CP> know I cannot transmit until I receive my callsign)
Autopatches can work differently on different repeaters. My advice is to
get in contact with the Control OP of the repeater(s) you wish to use and
ask him/her how it works.
Here in the Raleigh, NC area, we have *open* and *closed* autopatches.
Open patches require no access code to use them and are available to
anyone.
Closed patches require an access code and are usually "closed" to all
except the members of the club that sponsers the repeater. You are given
the "code" when you pay your dues.
One final note....
Our club repeater(s), we have 2, one on 2-meters and one
on 440, are of the *open* viriety but they both work just a little
differently from each other but we will give out these instructions over
the air to any one who askes. However as a Control OP of our repeater(s)
and an officer of of our club, I strongly recomend you DO NOT try to
access the autopatch whether it is open or closed "just to see if you can
do it" until after your license comes in, you never know when records are
being kept and tape recorders are going.
Good Luck,
Bill, KD4LLQ
Raleigh, NC
___
X OLX 2.1 TD X --T-A+G-L-I+N-E--+M-E-A+S-U-R+I-N-G+--G-A+U-G-E--
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Date: 1 May 1994 18:18:48 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!crcnis1.unl.edu!unlinfo.unl.edu!mcduffie@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: How to autopatch?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
You should also keep in mind that you are a "guest" on the system,
even if it is an "open system". Don't just get on and use it as if you
had a right to. Ask permission from someone in authority. You will be
much more welcome by doing so. This also gives the person in authority
the chance to pass along locally acceptable operating procedures and
uses, what is expected of users, etc.
73, Gary
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Date: 2 May 1994 01:07:02 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!bigfoot.wustl.edu!cec3!jlw3@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: HT harness
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
For those of you who were asking a couple of months ago about getting a
chest harness for your HT, I just saw a note in May 1994 QST on p.89
about the chest harness and a belt harness. It's $29.95 for the chess harness
of the type ski patrol uses.
--jesse
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Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 23:35:24 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!trane.uninett.no!nac.no!ifi.uio.no!wabbit.cc.uow.edu.au!metro!ipso!rwc@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: IPS Daily Report - 01 May 94
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 1/2330Z MAY 1994 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 1 MAY AND FORECAST UP TO 4 MAY
IPS Warning 12 was issued on 26 April and is still current.
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low
Flares: none.
Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 075/013
1B. SOLAR FORECAST
02 May 03 May 04 May
Activity Very low Very low Very low
Fadeouts None expected None expected None expected
Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 080/020
1C. SOLAR COMMENT
None.
-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: unsettled to minor storm.
Estimated Indices : A K Observed A Index 30 April
Learmonth 25 2333 4455
Fredericksburg 18 02
Planetary 23 02
Observed Kp for 30 April: 0110 1011
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE Ap CONDITIONS
02 May 40 Active to minor storm.
03 May 30 Active to minor storm.
04 May 25 Unsettled to active.
2C. MAGNETIC COMMENT
Coronal hole induced activity currently in progress.
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
LATITUDE BAND
DATE LOW MIDDLE HIGH
01 May normal normal normal
PCA Event : None.
3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
LATITUDE BAND
DATE LOW MIDDLE HIGH
02 May normal normal-fair pool-fair
03 May normal normal-fair poor-fair
04 May normal normal-fair poor-fair
3C. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION COMMENT
NONE.
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4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
MUFs at Sydney were near normal, with 15-30% enhanced 08-14UT
and 20% depressed 23UT.
Observed T index for 01 May: 27
Predicted Monthly T Index for May is 30.
4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE T-index MUFs
02 May 10 15 to 30% below predicted monthly values.
03 May 20 About 15% below predicted monthly values.
04 May 20 About 15% below predicted monthly values.
4C. AUSTRALIAN REGION COMMENT
None.
--
IPS Regional Warning Centre, Sydney |IPS Radio and Space Services
email: rwc@ips.oz.au fax: +61 2 4148331 |PO Box 5606
RWC Duty Forecaster tel: +61 2 4148329 |West Chatswood NSW 2057
Recorded Message tel: +61 2 4148330 |AUSTRALIA
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Date: Sun, 01 May 94 17:13:06 EDT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ns.mcs.kent.edu!kira.cc.uakron.edu!malgudi.oar.net!hypnos!voxbox!jgrubs@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Luck Hurder ... gone:( Why?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
flanagan@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Dick Flanagan) writes:
> In article <01HB9U9AAQFE000B36@mr.mec.mass.edu> FISHERB@a1.mec.mass.EDU (Burt
> > Luck Hurder - KY1T, Deputy Manager for the ARRL's Field Services
> > Department, was dismissed, this week, by the ARRL management over a
> > newly enacted policy issue.
>
> Perhaps we should read the "Subject:" line again and ask "why" instead of
> simply crying "foul."
>
> Typically when someone is "dismissed . . . over a newly enacted policy
> issue" it is because they refused to abide by the new policy. Why doesn't
> the writer of this message state what that policy is?
>
> > In my view, the handling of this matter by the ARRL was unfortunate for
> > all amateur radio operators.
>
> "This matter"? What matter? What policy?
>
> > that the ARRL understands our displeasure with their actions on this
> > issue,
>
> "This issue"? What issue? What matter? What policy?
>
> > I personally have known and worked with Luck for many years
>
> Perhaps this has something to do with it.
>
> > If you believe that this action was not in the best interest of our
> > hobby, then I encourage you to contact your respective Division
> > Director, listed on Page 8 of QST or Dave Sumner-K1ZZ, ARRL Executive
> > Vice President, 225 Main Street, Newington, CT 06111.
>
> Luck Hurder could be a very helpful, hardworking guy. He also had an
> "attitude" a mile wide that could turn people off. I suggest we find
> out what the actual issues were before we all rush into the streets to
> storm the castle.
Basically, the BoD made a new rule that field appointees had to
send their superiors a copy of all League related
correspondence. Luck leaked the news to the peons before the
patrones were ready.
/----------------------------------------------------------------------\
| Jim Grubs, W8GRT Voxbox Enterprises Tel.: 419/882-2697 |
| jgrubs@voxbox.norden1.com 6817 Maplewood Ave. |
| Fido: 1:234/1.0 Sylvania, Ohio 43560 |
\-+--------------------------------------------------------------------/
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Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 20:47:17 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!sdd.hp.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!grian!pelican!ent-img.com!wb6hqk!bart@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Reciprocal Licenses in Mexico
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
I'll be traveling to Mexico next month and was wondering if it's possible
to get a reciprocal amateur radio license these days. If so, what
is the procedure?
Thanks,
bart wb6hqk
bart@wb6hqk.ent-img.com
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Date: 1 May 94 14:31:50 GMT
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Subject: REJECTED: Info-Hams Digest V94 #474
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
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Subject: Info-Hams Digest V94 #474
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CEO document contents:
Info-Hams Digest Sun, 1 May 94 Volume 94 : Issue 474
Today's Topics:
Ni-Metal-Hydride batts for handhelds?
Send Replies or notes for publication to: <Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu>
Send subscription requests to: <Info-Hams-REQUEST@UCSD.Edu>
Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu.
Archives of past issues of the Info-Hams Digest are available
(by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/info-hams".
We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text
herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official
policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there.
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Date: 1 May 94 08:24:09 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!deep.rsoft.bc.ca!giant!a10554@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Ni-Metal-Hydride batts for handhelds?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
garland@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (JIM GARLAND) writes:
>Does anyone know whether any hand-held transceivers come with NiMH batteries,
>instead of NiCads? Also, do any aftermarket battery manufacturers make NiMH
First, let me answer the actual question since I have yet to see any
reply on this one. Yes, there are HTs which come with NiMH batteries.
The ones I have read brochures on are the Motorola Visor series HTs, they
are small like the size of the new tiny ham HTs but NiMH is standard issue.
They are available in high band VHF, UHF or 800MHz trunk.
>batteries. My understanding is that the power capacity is greater in NiMH
>batteries and that they don't have a "memory" effect -- both of which seem
True but read others' comment about the down side too. NiCds memory effect
is not as bad as it seems although it can happen at a very minor level.
>highly desirable traits for a handheld. Thanks
I'd want them for the higher capacity per weight/size and I am not
too worrying about self-depletion since I mostly can charge them every
night. The not so desirable side is higher price and that's why it is
not in the ham market as standard issue first. Third party should make
them but I've not seen them. Chargers (rapid) have to be different than
for NiCds.
>Jim W8ZR
David Tse
--
David Tse, VE7MDT Internet: a10554@giant.rsoft.bc.ca
I will prefer e-mail sent to above address.
My PO Box is CANCELLED, please do not use.
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Date: 1 May 1994 14:56:26 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!co128@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: RFI proofing my computer?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
First you have to determine the source of the RFI (computer, monitor,
printer, cabling). Disconnect everything and start plugging in one
unit at a time. If its cabling there are ferrite products you can
buy to wrap around them. If its radiating directly through the
enclosures, that's a problem. The next question is how is it getting
into the rig. When the antenna cable is disconnected is the receiver
clean? If so, is there a leak in the coax or is the antenna right
over your head? Proximity is a killer here. It maybe be the best
your can hope for is a reduction and not an elimination of this
problem.
--
JIM MARTIN W8AC
co128@cleveland.freenet.edu
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Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 18:45:31 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!uunet.ca!uunet.ca!iceonline!icebox!janc@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: RFI proofing my computer?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
>I would like to be able to use my computer along side, or in close
>proximity, to my HF, and VHF, equipment but have a problem with RFI
>(radio frequency interference). What are the most efficient methods
>for reducing RFI.
>
>I have 486DX2 50 MHz, Super VGA monitor, and a laser printer.
>All equipment is less than two years old and presumably well shielded.
>
>I'd like to be able to use my computer while I'm on the air, logging,
>packet, etc..., but the RFI is killing my reception on both HF and VHF.
>
>Any suggestions?
I have my radio gear located practically next to my computer monitor. My
computer is in a tower case and sits on the floor. When I still had a desktop
system the RFI was terrible, so I went out and found an all-metal tower case.
It's important that you ground the case when you assemble it - there is
usually a lug provided for that. As for the monitor, few are adequately
shielded with the exception of low-rad monitors.
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janc@icebox.iceonline.com : If you eat a live toad first thing in the
: morning, nothing worse will happen to you all
Fido: 1:153/7116 : day.
Amateur Radio: VE7FJC : To you or the toad.
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Date: 1 May 1994 17:55:26 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!crcnis1.unl.edu!docman.doc.state.ne.us!hannibal!mcduffie@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Spectrum Show 30 Apr 94
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
The real question is: What's this trash doing in this news group?
Before you go off the deep end, remember the definition of trash. It is
the same as weed. A rose is a weed if it's in the middle of the lawn. It's
simply in the wrong place.
I have nothing against this posting except that it has nothing to do with
this group. There are other places for it, especially when it is lengthy.
Gary
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